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from United States
said:Batir - Many thanks for such a kind write-up. I would also like to note that I consider your blog an indispensable source of information about what's going on in Jordan. I greatly appreciate your interesting and always-insightful analysis.
Briefly, in response to the last commentor, I am not suggesting that the IAF is, by any means, a paragon of liberal values. But, in their own domestic political dealings, they have officially rejected violence and, on a number of occasions, have actively urged their constituency to do the same. This is important, and it helps to combat the harder line of more radical groups.
from Jordan
said:Here is some of his insightful analysis:
"The validity of their claims is unverified but, given the regime’s poor human rights record and its questionable commitment to democracy, the allegations may well have some truth to them." Wow. Proof positive! The losing party claims that the elections were rigged, so the allegation is probably true. A laughable assumption (while not denying that there may have been irregularities).
"In this recent election, it seemed likely that the Islamist party would pick up a good number of local seats. With a strong base of support stemming from the country’s Palestinian population (an astounding 60%), fairer elections were likely to bring further gains for the IAF. Undoubtedly, the Jordanian monarchy was worried about such an outcome." The 60% number is not true, but even if it is, nothing has changed in the last 40 years in this aspect. Moreover, why the assumption that Jordanians of Palestinian origin always vote for the IAF. This is another laughable assumption.
"Whether or not the Jordanian regime actually carried out acts of anti-democratic repression will never be known for sure." But the whole post is based on that assumption.
Come on Batir. This "expert" has nothing to add. All your praise is misplaced.
from United States
said:Khalaf.
10 of the same comment,some one got to you,your blind attack against the IAF is becoming old.
You got nothing to do all day but attacking the IAF,the IAF is part of the jordanian people and the are not terrorist. live with it.
from United States
said:Jeb,
They are the rooting ground for al-qaeda, they never EVER condemened any attack by al-qaeda and they call terrorsists "martyrs".
Their latest "revival" came after the government took control over mosques and schools and some of their charities, they preached hate for the last 50 years and the government turned a blind eye on what they did. And now they are threatning that they are the only choice or else al-qaeda will become our next IAF! Can you read behind the lines, they are basically saying that either you give us what we want or else!
Come on!
As for hamede, you can read ZBR article in jordan business, I don't know if you consider yourself a bedwin but I DO, and bedwins are 10 time more educated than his lazy ass beard!
from Jordan
said:I loved it to see 12 new comments in 10 minites but then had to delete 9 out of 10 for Khalaf (message received, really) and one out of two from Hamede.
I still see that Jeb has a better analysis in general than the majority of "foreign experts" I encounter, and many local analysts. The presence of one or two unjustified details does not render his analysis incorrect.
from Jordan
said:Mohannad I really love this ZBR initials, how original. Very appropriate my friend.
from United States
said:mohanned.
Start in the 1950,when the gov allowed the iaf to operates smoothly, at the same time when others went to jail,the iaf and the gov wher united agenst the left on the ground that the dont belevin god,and the nationalist for being supported from countrys like syria,iraq and egypt,all these years the iaf never been a threat to the gov,now it is the gov and the tribes agenst the iaf.
So i dont know who you people trying to fool.
Actually my friend no one-to fool- each side has his "guys", the IAF is still not mature enough to know how to "play" politics, that is why I keep saying keep relegion out of politics.
Hamede, you can't ignore the region and seperate us from what is happening around. The only way to survive this is being one hand behind one leadership, divisions will bring us to our knees. ZBR denied what he actually said, maybe he thinks that his or maybe their base can't read english-oh maybe he thought bedwins still don't kwno how to read and write! the balance of education shifted toward bedwins and the less fortunate long time ago, I bet that there are more profissional and PhD holders in those areas than his beloved zarqa and amman.
Anyway as I said each side has his own guys, but they are fighting for the 40-60% of silent or maybe silenced majority. I can tell you who is the winner: The government.
BTW am not taking sides, they both suck but at least the gov. doesn't act in the name of islam to tackle emotions.
Batir, as they say the right name for the right person-ZBR that is ;)
from United States
said:Jeb,,The Jordanian government has always rigged election,this is the trade mark ,Hallmark and land mark of any despotic regime in the Arab World,for long time,the state intelligence apparatus has always interfered , pushed and financed their own candidates to capture parliament seats just ask Toujan Al fisal and here is her website http://toujan.virtualactivism.net/
from Jordan
said:Just to note that Toujan's website badly needs updating and interaction. Not a good source of info on current affairs.
from Jordan
said:Batir,
The question should be this: is the IAF ready to govern? are they politically mature enough to run a government? beside their slogan of "ISLAM IS THE SOLOUTION", what is exactly their political and economical agenda? what will be their social agenda?.
IAF domestic agenda is not convincing to many Jordanians, when it comes to raising taxes or rising prices or high unemployment or the dangerous high level of poverty, IAF blames the gov. rather than offering soloutions.
yes I agree what the gov. did in the last election was wrong and damaging and they should not have iterfered or influenced the outcome of the election, which made the extremist wing of the IAF prosper on the account of the moderates, on the other hand IAF should have their priorities reorganized where we the average citizens come first not the people of Afghanistan .
from United States
said:OK Batir,,Here is Tuojan speaking on March,31,2006 at university of Chicago ,for god sake just listen what she had to say just once Batir.
http://www.garageband.com/mp3player?|pe1|WdjZPXLrvP2rY1exZG5m
from Jordan
said:Wow, Toujan speaks in the country of imperialism? She actually got a visa? I will certainly have to listen. How stupid I was to refuse three invitations and then be labelled as a USA agent while Toujan managed to go.
from Jordan
said:She probably paid for the ticket with money from Saddam's oil coupons.
from United States
said: "She probably paid for the ticket with money from Saddam's oil coupons. "
oh wow Khalaf,this is very reveling ,Now I know where you coming from,
Tuojan got her money from Saddam???
Do you know khalaf,you beloved late king Hussein has offered Toujan ,A palace in West Amman,3 New Mercedes and money to pay for her debts just to keep quite about corruption in your beloved kingdom.
from Jordan
said:Toujan's involvement in the oil coupons scandal is documenetd and even she did not deny it, so plz Urduni do not play the innocent role here. Toujan was brave enough to say that she did receive the coupons but said she gave them to a friend who was in need (the manager of Laith Shbeilat office) and did not use them. The others did not confess. As for your claim about the King it is not based on evidence, but I know that Toujan's brave fight against Cancer which she won was in part supported ny a generous medical coverage by the Royal Court which I think is a gesture of nobility.
from United States
said:This is out right lie Batir,introduce to me one document that implicate Tuojan,and let me gusse,you will never find such documents except in your mind and Khalaf's.
Batir you and I have visited this subject before,and you know who got all this money from Saddam or you want me to list them for you.
from United States
said:Thanks for being funny and pathetic ,you want documents and testimony, here is the real thing Khalaf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wj0m0dSUPR8
from Jordan
said:Al Urduni for God Sake please list me the names of those who got money from Saddam, and I mean all...including the national opposition figures to be fair!
from United States
said:Your beloved late king received billions of dollars from Saddam.
from United States
said:I know for sure Tuojan will never sell her self to anybody,she should lead our country into 21 century,and enough misleading infos about her.
from Jordan
said:Al Urduni I specifically challenged you to name the national opposition figures who got money from Saddam. If you can't stay in your cave and do not show heroics.
You are entitled to let Toujan lead you, but I will not let her lead me for 1.0 m in the high road between Amman and the Airport, not after what she said about the bombings.
from United States
said:Batir,,lets set the record straight,
Who benefited from Iraq and Iran war? ,why the late king put all his political weight behind Saddam ?why Jordan helped,(not financially of course)encouraged ,and facilitated the war efforts?
Is it because for the blackness of Saddam's eyes,or because the financial gains were humongous ????
why Batir when some Jordanian spoke against this war,they ended up in jail,and they were called traitors to the Arab cause by your late king,how much money the Royal family made out of Iraq and Iran war?
And yes Tuojan said the right thing about the bombing of Amman's hotel,I have echoed the same opinion about the bombing ,because Jordan has helped the American to invade Iraq and that's a fact you can't deny it ,you see Batir,when a country like Jordan conspire ,facilitate this horrific occupation of Iraq ,what do you expect from your neighbors ,slab on the rest ,off course you are going to have violent reaction from some individuals and Tuojan was right on the money.
For some reason or another you like to put down Toujan but when it come to the involvement of the Royal family dealing and wheeling during and after the war,you always ignore that facts and dismiss it as unimportant
from Jordan
said:Setting records straight means fairness. Jordan officially supported Iraq for financial gains and enhancing trade in the 1980s. This has been done by many businessmen and politicians but did not claim they are supporting Iraq for its political regime. On the other hand hundreds of politicians from the right, left and centers were speaking and writing in the favor of a savage dictatorship while getting money from the Iraqi embassy and travelling to Iraq to buy cheap items while Iraqis were suffering and they were all praising the nationalism of Saddam. They were doing this out of personal financial gains selling their political position for money. How can Toujan or Shbeilat advocate for democracy in Jordan and support dictatorship in Iraq? This is complete nonsense.
As for the bombings Al Qaida has always planned to attack the Jordanian civilians in 1999, 2002 and in various other occasions not linked to the Iraq war so Toujan's words at Al jazeera were completely disgusting. She even did not find the decency to present condolences to the victims.
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IAF, moderate?IAF Condemned violoence?
Is he serious? 3 days ago they were paying tribute to absi!
He should pay a visit to jabha.net and assabeel.com more often :)