don't you get tired of playing reformer when you went on record attacking and defaming Jordanians who called for reforms?

remember your vicious attack on Abu Odeh who tried to focus attention on the silenced majority? remember Ibn Irsheed and how you and your buddies villified him for raising this issue? how can you pretend to care for reforms when you attack those who want it?

I applaud your brand of courage, Batir. you really don't care that your behavior contradicts your words.

On November, 22, 2007 7:59 PM , batir
from Jordan said:

Faramel thanks for reminding the readers taht I have criticised Abu Odeh and Bani Irshaid. This is an honor for me as both are opportunists who are completely against any reform. Abu Odeh spent 30 years in the government and Royal court and only reformed his bank account. Bani Irshad wants to turn the country into a backyard for Hamas and Iran.
What issue of silenced majority? for God sake the people who Abu Odeh and Bani Irshaid stood for turned out and voted for Hasan safi and Tareq Khouri who both deal with the Americans in Iraq and generate piles of money.

On November, 23, 2007 8:29 AM , masalha1
from Jordan said:

Y'all keep talking about Abo Aodeh as if he is GHANDI or MANDELA, well he is not never has never will, he is just an opportunist and an ungreatful man who was in power for thirty years and did nothing, yes nothing, not for Jordan not for Palestine, tell me one thing he did when he was a Mukhabarat officer? or Press minister? or in the royal court? thats why most of Jordanian's opposition people have no credibility, because most of them came out of the government womb and when they're sent home they start critisizing the system they were part of.
You know damn well he was not talking about the silenced majority of Jordanians he was talking about palestinians living in Jordan as if they appointed him to speak on their behalf, most palestinians don't give a damn about Abo Odah, and those who do they actually don't give a damn about Jordan.

At least Abu Odeh and Iben Irsheed had the courage to speak out when the others cashed in on their silence. who cares if you like them or not or if they are rich or poor. They were the only ones with courage. and in an era where the arab intelligentsia is dominated by scum who go out of their way to show they are scum in the hope of a pay off, these two come out ahead.

"Staunchly conservative tribal areas are over-represented in parliament, with each MP representing 2,000-3,000 voters, compared with more than 90,000 voters per MP in the capital Amman."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middl...ast/ 7105281.stm

On November, 23, 2007 1:33 PM , masalha1
from Jordan said:

Simsim,
What courage?? you call Abo Odah crap courage?? how come he didnt get the courage to speak when he was in the government for 30 years?? how come he made no attempts to defend those silenced majority he is talking about?.
As to Bani Irshaid, the day he and his party put Jordan and not Afganistan or Iraq on his priority list then I will start listening to his rhetoric.

how come Ghandi or MLK did not speak out 5 years earlier, 10 years earlier, 20 years earlier? Who knows and who cares.

the fact is Abu Odeh and Ibn Irsheed did speak out and others did not. It's that simple.

and if "opportunists" like Abu Odeh and Iben Irsheed can speak out, then how come your "good" people are keeping mum? money is too good isn't it. it really boils down to money and perks. so we attack those who embarrass us with their courage.

what a convoluted equation.

i prefer someone you consider an opportunist but one who speaks out and suffers the consequences (salvation) then an opportunist who keeps his mouth shut and keeps cashing in. there is redemption in the sort of humiliation suffered by Ibn Irsheed and Abu Odeh. They have been redeemed by the likes of you and Batir and others who instead of speaking out shut up and colle$$$t

it's a screwed up system when courage becomes opportunism, while the opportunism of complacency is rewarded.

On November, 23, 2007 4:22 PM , batir
from Jordan said:

Simsim the name is Bani Irshaid and not Ibn Rsheed. Do your homework first.

On November, 23, 2007 7:16 PM , masalha1
from Jordan said:

Simsim,
The only money I have ever received from the government is the 19 Jd a month during my two years military service ( ALAM service ), personal insults are not the way to argue your case, we only have less than a handfull of genuine opposition names, which I have a great deal of respect for them, the rest are just looking for lights and trying to make headlines, and Jordan is the last thing on their mind.

On November, 25, 2007 3:19 PM , The Observer
from Jordan said:

Good points. We should really start working on those before the next elections come.