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batir,,,whatever happened to your objectivity? how can you make such sweeping generalizations about Amman when the percentage of eligible voters who voted is less than 20% ? What happened in Amman is a de facto boycott of the elections.
from United States
said:معضم النصابين القدما قد خرجوا من هذه الانتخابات الغير نزيها بي مقاعدهم الازليه التي خصصت لهم من قبل الحكومه"الموقره" ..
هذه البرلمان المزيف سيكون مثل سابقاته ولن يجلب الي لشعب سوا المزيد من الفسادوالسرقات علي الوزن الثقيل،مره أخري الشعب الكادح سيكون الخسران من هذاالبرلمان الكركوزوالذي عتل علي كتاف الكثير من المضلالين الذين يعتقدون بي أن الانتخاب لهذا أو داك البرلمان سيغير شئ
أريد ن أسئل الحكومه،لماذالم تسمحو بموراقبين دوليين مثل الامم المتحده او لجنه من السوق الاروبيه المشتركه
Why vote in an election rigged from the start.
"Staunchly conservative tribal areas are over-represented in parliament, with each MP representing 2,000-3,000 voters, compared with more than 90,000 voters per MP in the capital Amman."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7105281.stm
from Jordan
said:Dear all;
negativity can never be a valid approach. Every one who believes in democracy should get their asses up and organize themselves in political parties and movements. Nothing will happen with boycotting. People should be able to change the conditions of the political system and not remain negative and just criticise. If change will happen it will be done by people at the grassroot level. It will be done through democratic and representative parties. No execuse for the silent.
from Jordan
said:Sam3aan,
Yes the law has many flaws, the districting is unfair, but can we change any of that by having a bad attitude, and pout about it?? , or even worse sending incompetent people to run our lives??.
As long as we vote based on blood relation even though the person is worthless, we will never change a thing NOR if you set on your ass and do nothing.
from United States
said:Batir ,,off topic,I tried to log on Nassem's blog but it seems some body else took his domain name
from Jordan
said:Al Urduni I noticed that and I am trying to call him to clarify. Thanks for the concern.
" Every one who believes in democracy should get their asses up and organize themselves in political parties and movements."
PLEEEEZEEE! stop pretending you live in Sweden or India. Jordan's dictatorship is protected by the US. It's hopeless. The decision to marginalize the silenced majority is approved and funded by the White House. The americans know if the silenced majority has its way, the US and zionist embassy in Jordan will shrink quickly. fact is, the loss of Arab freedom and dignity, either to despotism or to starvation and war is beneficial to US interests in the region.
why don't you start a movement Batir. put your money where your blog is. lead a civil rights movement to end US-sponsored repression and discrimination in Jordan. go for it and lets see how far you can go before your are dragged into the GID for a friendly interview. Abu Odeh tried to speak up against the marginalization of the silenced majority. he was silenced quickly. you were one of those who attacked him. so stop being a hypocrite.
from Jordan
said:Eram I will certainly be looking for participating in a political party but I cannot find any of the current serious enough. I will do my best to engage with the hundreds of people I know with reform potentials with the presence of experienced politicians to form this party/movement.
We do not have to be Sweden to form a party. Bangladesh and Mauritania are doing this in a productive way.
You are entitled to remain in your pathetic conspiracy theory state of mind but please do not spread the virus to others.
lol batir i never assumed you will so wishful thinking, although i do agree with the sentiment but how do you exactly propose for grassroots to prosper if they are not allowed to congregate by law ? and report their dealings under the scrutinizing eye of law enforcement ?
the law to be changed by the people who managed to make it their in the first place based on the lack of proper representation ?
Batir: "You are entitled to remain in your pathetic conspiracy theory state"
more of the "shallo man's" arguments.
Do you think the US invasion and mass slaughter of Arabs in Iraq is conspiracy theory?
do you think the starvation of Arabs in Gaza is a conspiracy theory?
do you think the US-backed Ethiopian invasion of Somalia is a conspiracy theory?
do you think the killing fields of Lebanon were US and Zionist conspiracy theory?
do you think the daily killing of arabs in Palestine and the third-class citizenship of Arabs in Israel a US and Israeli conspiracy theory?
do you think the erosion of arab human rights in arab countries during the cold war ear (communist purges) and post 911 (islamist purges) are conspiracy theory?
I just love neoliberals.
grrr.... neoliberals again
how about thinking of it this way, they don't really give a flying ... about arabs and they shouldn't
leave the arabs on their own and they'll will manage to do your work for you while ppl like you wear their grim and morbid faces and bitch about no one doing anything and no one seeing the "truth"
bambam. people know the truth. some benefit from it (regime parasites) others suffer from it (99% of arabs)
and no, you can't change it. you can't do anything about it, until oil runs out and israel runs out, or some outside force comes to the rescue, as in the past. fact is, arab elite are too corrupt and too self-interested to make a difference. history proves it. the savior is never arab, not since salah eddin and the turks. fact is, the contemporary arab elites are arguably the most corrupt generation of arabs that ever come to exist.here we are 20+ arab entities and counting, all impotent, waring, dysfunctional, repressive, regressive, traitorous, taking orders from states who pose existential threat to arabs. all making justifications and rationalizations for the status quo, simply because they are getting paid in cash. i refer to Nahid Hattar's article which Batir was kind enough to post, but what's shocking is that he, Batir, thinks he is better than those Nahid mentioned. Even more shocking than that is that Nahid Hattar thinks he is any better than those who criticized. it's hopeless when the reformer is corrupt but can't see it.
from Jordan
said:Eram, the political parties law states that 500 people from 5 governorates should be able to establish a political party and enjoy all thir constitutional righrs. Now, if I come to the conclusion after a few months that there are no such 500 people who are genuine enough to go and establish this party (which will not have to fight Israel and colonialsim but work for constitutional and economic reform in Jordan) than I will certainly stop all this effort which will be meaningless. At least I will have the satisfaction of trying, nonthelss. I can make a list now of 1000 people I know who share the agenda for reform, now how many of them will go to the step of signing their names on the application form remains to be seen.
people in jordan fear for their careers. they fear harassment. they fear isolation. they fear defamation by thugs. look at abu odeh and what happened to him. he was shut up pretty quickly. look at Ibn Irsheed and what happened to him. he was attacked by all sides, his very words mutilated. he did not stand a chance. you were part of the defemation and the attacks and the slander. but here you are playing Mr. Moderate, Mr. Believe In The System. man, you are such a hopeless hypocrite.
this is not a system that encourages peaceful dialog. you prove it. this is a coercive, repressive, closed system.
from Jordan
said:Yeh Abo Odeh is such a poor and marginalised man he only spent 30 years in the government and royal court. And how on Earth can you use the words "bani Irshaid" and reform in one sentence. Bani Irshaid wants this country to be fighting zone while we want prosperity and democracy. The two names you mentioned are completely out of the sphere of reform in this country.
from Jordan
said:Eram, Faramel,
Honestly, can Jordan afford to go against U.S wishes? lets be real, we tried that in 1990, we were suffocated by our own arab countries, our small and fragile economy went into a state of chaos, and half a million Jordanians were kicked back to Jordan, so what freedom are you talking about? the freedom to fight U.S against Jordan interest?? who will help Jordan if the U.S squeeeeeeze you to death? Saudi Arabia? Egypt? Iran?, So tell me what to do? OK Americans are killing arabs all over the world, and they all S.O.Bs does that change any facts on the ground? people wake up U.S is a super power and 5 million Jordanians mean nothing to them if you go against their interest so what can you do? set on a keyboard and tell me something most people know? do you know how much money in Aids and grants we get from the U.S ?? who is gonna replace that? Iran? Saudi? people stop thinking Jordan is china or Russia, this is reality take it and deal with OR Somalia and Sudan are a good example to what might happen if you don't.
Just focuss on your own problems, solve them, enhance your living conditions, then try to change the world, but first change your self.
from United States
said:Fyi: the world election watch dog rated jordan elections about as democratic as Saudi Arabias which means that is is not worth voting!When Are these Familiys going to give up power that they have mismanaged and humiliated the arabians with their stupid greedy ways and lack of knowlodge for the last 80 years ?When is the Arabian World going to have advanced arts and studys like Arabian people had when Europe was in the dark ages?Honest Rulers are needed in every Arab nation!These western imposed Traitors have made Gods blessed land a land of poverty and slavys !
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It was natural that all the 8 Abbadi candidates fail... the voters divided between 8 candidates at least so it was virtually impossible that they will win on clanish basis. However, Sayel Abbadi was running as the IAF candidate, but it seems it wasn't enough, it was one ferocious battle in the 6th precinct. I'm glad Lutfi Elderbany beat the odds because from what I heard he is a very good man and his campaign was clean and upright, no vote buyign involved.