In general, contemporary social democrats support:
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from Jordan
said:I just followed the link for the definition.
It is the other way around. Socials rights is considered to be a subset of human rights.
I am with Social rights. We actually are much behind in social rights in the Arab world.
from Canada
said:i do believe in the welfare state but i also believe in free trade and free markets, which are regulated to a minimum.
that being said, as a student of politics i know this, if a person seeks to define themselves in the political realms then they must define themselves according to a definition that is within context. in other words, a social democrat in the US is different from a social democrat in Jordan. there are many common core values but at the same time many differences.
so we should always remember our social, political and economic environment first before seeking to define ourselves politically. otherwise, all these political definitions are based on western ideals and western enviornments.
from United States
said:"otherwise, all these political definitions are based on western ideals and western enviornments."
that is why being a "secular humanist" will never create any usefull ideas in a majoritly Muslim and Christian Jordan. Secularism is not an aspect of the Jordanian culture, and it never was. Thus claiming to be a secular humanist is as Nas kindly stated, is based on western ideals and western enviornments.
Batir, if your goal is to "enlighten" your Jordanian brothers and sisters, then you should share the same ideals, beliefs and life style. What worked for the west does not mean it can work for us.
What you should be looking for is not names or analogies but major key elements. Once these are realized, the next step would be to see if these key elements can work for us Jordanians.
Recognize the problem 1st before deciding on a solution.
from Jordan
said:Hasan, how many from those Muslims and Christians in Jordan are only holding the religious title by name?
I think that we have many secular people here in Jordan who are non-practiced Muslims, and non-practiced Christians.
Even here in Jordan we have many differences among people. No one, even Batir, or you, can share the same ideals, beliefs and life style of all people in Jordan!
from Jordan
said:Nas and Hasan;
As much as I do appreciate and recognize the special features of the Arab-Islamic culture which I live in and struggle with on daily basis, I am not enthusiastic about promoting the concept on "non-alignment' between Arab culture and the so-called western values, for two reasons:
1- The first reason is that such values as human rights, freedoms, civil organizations..etc are not "western" but the product of all human experiences. Such concepts have been successfuly implemeneted in Latin America, In some areas of Asia and Africa and the eastern european countries that have a lot of our socio-economic problems.
2- The second reason is that when yoy say "democracy" is not compatible with Arab values this means a great card to be played and used by dicactor rulers in our area who promote the concept of "non-complimentarity' and the need to "conserve" our dictatorship values as opposed to democracy. The same argument can also be used for other values.
The issue is that we need to take the best of such values. I really find it silly when we use the highest tech of mobile phones and fail to implement freedoms and civil manners because they are "western".
from United States
said:Salam Batir,
do you recommend any reading material on the subject? how would sicialism build societies? any good books by Arab socialists on how socialism can be relevant and helpful in our countries?
Being in the US, in a capitalist country, I'm familiar with books explaining how capitalism works, and how it can lead to innovation and economic and social success.
I want to hear from the other side. Any recommended readings?
I've heard about a book that translates to this title "The materialistic interpretation of Islamic History" - mainly showing that most of the Prophet (saas) actions were "pragmatic" and "logical" and did not really depend on divine knowledge (again, mostly).
I don't know who is the author. Do you know this book? is it any good?
Hisham Sharabi also seems to call for a similar solution for our country. But he doesn't explain why in depth. San'allah Ibrahim, the novel/documentary writer, also supports this vision, but again, doesn't explain how it would lead us to success.
Anton Sa'adeh does write in depth, but then, he's more of a nationalist and free-economy kind of guy.
Naseem, if you know any books, that would be great.
thanks,
Muhammad
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from Jordan
Very interesting Batir.
I think I will follow your suit :), I just need to comprehend the term better. Maybe I can do that in your coming articles on how you can link it to Jordan.
Is human rights a subset of social rights? or there are some contradictions between the 2?