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from Jordan
said:Sorry Batir.. the title of your post should be change into:
After Qana: What words I can use to describe Arabs?
Are we also going to collect more money now? for the remaining children of Qana? perhaps some new playstations to help them forget..hoo a7san eshi...
lol this is weirdly funny...
Allah yer7am ayyam el dawleh el 3othmaneyyeh.. konna 3aysheen be 3ez...sa7ee7 they used to have "Al Khazooq" punishment.. but its much better than Olmart & Bosh Khawazeeq...it used to "tokhzoq" one person.. but not a whole generation..
cant wait till i hear someone shouting:
Tab el moat ya 3arab!
or oh..this is only in movies..national songs on independece days..ya3ni shoghol 3aret ...
ya seedi... What can we do? keep working keep working.. you have kids to feed..
from Jordan
said:wainak ya 3omar el 3abdallat etghanneelek oghneyeh 3a hal monasabeh..
barki benseer nesma3ha in cars or weddings and get temproraly patriots haik o we clap hard o benkasher enno elli beeji feena bnakloh akel haaaaa...
o metel ma gal el sha3er:
ennallathi bayni o bayna bani abi o bani 3ammi la mokhtalafon Jeddan... en akalo la7mi wafarto la7om la7man, wa en hadamo bayti banayto lahom Majdan...
from Jordan
said:Batir, What kind of revenge are you talking about??! Do you want to see Israeli children pay as of those of Qana?!
I understand that we are all at rage in this moment. It is so much saddnening haveing the whole world watching without being able to make anything to stop it, but the answer isn't by more killing.
Actually Som3a more money can help.
from Jordan
said:The Observer.. oh man you are right..more money can help.. since we are nations of money only :)
ya rait this money could invested one in some usefull technologies or scientists or weapons instead of investing them in Malls, cafes, stores, nightclubs, hotels, spa's, Dubai has the tallest absar sho..the most beautiful 10,000sqmeter, el waleed has rotana and do you believe ya zalameh he is going to partner with michael jackson for some kind of luna park be billions?
ya zalameh jam3at zay el nas ma 3enna..in the whole arabic world!!
you know why? coz its Mamnoo3!!
they want a stupid nation which in any case someone wanted to explore more about science & Technology should go outside and find it there..and if he was so good at it, he wont be able to go back to mama's house..
money for souls.. thats ur solution..ya 7assas...
from Jordan
said:The observer, yes in fact we want the Israelis to payback for what they did.
Law of justice, The killer get killed, whenever, however.
Is it normal for you to let go the killer of your brother? If yes then you are a true…., if not then for God sake this is not the right time for you hypocritical humanity.
from Jordan
said:Husams, do you follow a tribal rule? The killer gets killed?
When talking about social level. If someone killed my brother, I want him to be captured by police and prosecuted according to his crime.
As of the war, those who should pay are the soldiers and political Israeli leaders who caused it, not Israeli civilians and children.
from Jordan
said:Immediately, we must announce a boycott of every company in the world that supports Israel.
BOYCOTT NOW!
It's the only language the world understands.
from Jordan
said:The observer, but tell me how exactly do you wanna get them pay? Do you seriously believe they will pay for this massacre? Ironically yes relations between countries are based on tribal rules, when there isn’t a global law that can enforce rights, as long as the United Nations can’t do a thing towards such a massacre.
When you are weak, no one will listen to you pathetic pleas about stopping war, history says it has been and always will be, POWER gains you your rights, doesn’t matter if you believe in this or not, it’s just a fact!
from Italy
said:It's time to stop this massacre: for the poor Lebanese civilians and for Israel too (Katyushas have killed around 50 people there and civilians too!).
Batir, I would never support Nasrallah or Al-Qaeda if I was a "secular arab and an anti-fundamentalist", but I think that Israel should understand that its method of action risks to put also the secular Arabs and Muslims against it and it would be a true tragedy for peace in Middle East! I hope in a rapid cease-fire or at the least in a rapid humanitarian help to Lebanese people... .
from Jordan
said:Husams, you are right, unfortunatly power dictates the relationship between countries in this world. There are different kinds of power. Sure a military strong forces is a main part, but then you have political power, economical power, and social human power.
Now, we as Arabs are much behind in terms of military power. We are even behind in politics, economics, and society as well.
What we can do it use The Qana massacre as a moral weapon at our side in our to save others who might get killed if we continued this war.
Revenge should be taken of the leaders that caused such deaths, not from poor children even if they are Israelis. Children didn't kill those in Qana. If Hezballah can take revenge of those military forces then be it, if not, let us work harder in order to save other people's life.
The crime in Qana reminded me with the horrific crime the U.S. committed against Iraqis in the Amiriya shelter in Baghdad in 1991. Same faces and same attacks.
I feel like you. I am so sad for what is happening in Lebanon and Palestine. I say that becuase I went through the same thing.
from Jordan
said:The observer, I agree with you, and I didn’t mention taking revenge from civilians and children, but I was against a mild peaceful response, power earns you respect, weakness earns you ignorance.
batir, from reading your articles and views i can see that for the most part you are a reasonable, decent, well educated man. however, no decent, reasonable human being should support any kind of murder. because if anyone is killed, by anyone, in any country, under any law, then it is called murder and should be dealt with by the law, not ignorant killers of al quaeda, who will make everything worse. these israelis soldiers are murderers, but their wives and childeren are not. you claim to support democracy, yet how can you be in support the killing of more innocents?
other comments have said that they want revenge, but only on the leaders and the soldiers who are responsable, and not the innocent clivilians of israel. this will not happen, because these cowards who have murdered childeren will hide behind their own childeren, and i do not think anybody with intellegence above that of a worm would condone striking down childeren.
lastly, husams, if you take revenge, and commit atrocities like those committed by the forces of israel, is that an admirable thing, and does it reallly honour the memories of those who have already died? will that be their epitaph, that their pain was used as an excuse for yet more bloodshed? If you have to take revenge, then that will be an excuse for the conflict to continue, and you can be sure that the soldiers of israel will love an excuse for more fighting. dont give them one.
from Jordan
said:The one;
Thanks for a very reasonable view based on true principles of justice and humanity. The good thing about blogs is that they reflect also the psychological trends of the blogger, in different modes and circumsatnces. When you write under the immediate image of 23 children killed while pursuing peace and tranquility makes your judgment very biased and very emotional. This is explainable, but maybe not justified. I agree with you totally that no murder can be justified. The problem is, I real in Israeli newspapers that they are really concerned with the ratio of victims and they say that Israel must keep a 10:1 ration for victims. For each Israeli dead there should be 10 Arabs dead, as a tactice of "frightening" the Arabs and convincing them that any mlilitary engagement with Israel can be costly. This is when the level of Adrenalin goes in your blood and say "damn, we should close this gap down"!
Of course this is not ethically right, but in our region ethics tend to take a marginal role.
Again I stress that murder of innocents and especially children is not justified but at the heat of the moment it is completely natural that emotions run high. For some people, emotions will give way to rational thinking and for other emotions will continue to lead, and this is how extremism is born.
batir, it is true what you say, and it will make anyones blood boil, reading and seeing these disgraceful things. no one can stand it and not become enraged. however, it is what you do with that anger is that is important. the man who goes and kills as many people as he can, and gets himself killed solves nothing, and paves the way for more deaths. this action is selfish, and to localised to make a real difference. killing a few people and then dying does not stop the conflict, but prolongs it, and may result in more dead children.
however, he who takes his anger, and actually tries to make a change that is bigger, and strives to end the conflict, well then he is doing a greater service to his people, and those who have died.
it is unreasonable to ask of anyone to not be outraged, but it is imperative that at all times everyone fights against the fighting, rather than just joining in.
also, batir, you say that extremism is born of the rage in the heat of the moment. extremists do not, in my view, become extremists in the heat of the moment. rather, i believe that they merely use this justifiable anger as an excuse to kill. you said it yourself, that your words were said in anger. afterwards, however, when you view is less clouded, anyone can see that more deaths will not solve anything. the thing is, extremists like al qaeda seem able to extend this irrational rage for indefinite periods. i cannot see how anyone can extend 'the heat of the moment' for years, without some underlying desperateness to kill someone. therefore, you cannot expect me to believe that these men who, in reality, despite their motives, admirable or not, kill other human beings, are any better than the israeli murderers. a life is a life, no matter whose it is, and extremism is just another reason for stupid fools to kill each other.
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For the first time, you're not as eloquent as you normally are. And I am totally like you. Words are failing me too....