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from Jordan
said:Americans can say what they like whenever they like with the understanding that it is "freedom of speech". However, this expression may inflame some, leading to their "right to assemble" in a peaceful protest. There are two sides to that coin.
from Italy
said:Batir, you're right, but I know that you can be arrested for the negation of Holocaust only in Germany or in Austria and then Muslims and Arabs often use their anti-Jews feelings (and of course they aren't the one to have them :(), to avoid to see their real troubles and to make the victims still more than what they are(this behave doesn't help).
from United States
said:Keep in mind that it was not the US government nor anyone in an official capacity that stifled the speech. Legally, it could have been publsihed and distributed to every household in America. Pressure was brought on by some who (right or wrong) found it offensive, and Harvard wimped out, fearing that it would affect their reputation. Legally, though, there was no threat.
from Jordan
said:Thank you guys for all your comments. Yes I know that double standards are practised by everyone. The problem we feel at the Arab World, and I am trying to reflect the position of secular democratic arab minority is that we listen to preaches about freedom of speech from the west when it comes to criticising Arabs and muslims (justified or not) but it seems to be a taboo to criticise the behavior of Isreael. two days ag the US blocked a UN statement condemning Israel's "excessive use of force" which resulted in 18 deaths in Gaza.
from Italy
said:Yes, Batir: I sometimes (too often)have the same impression... but what about when the one criticism in Arab and Muslim World is more about USA, Europe and ISRAEL, than the fanatism and terrorism "in the name of Islam" (as they wrongly tell)??? :(...It's often right talk bad about Israel, but...do you know what happened today in Tel Aviv? I'm sure that you don't like that as every normal people...:(
from Jordan
said:Absolutely. This is my point. I do not agree on what happened in tel Aviv as much as I do not agree on hitting Gaza with 400 shells and killing 18 people. This ethical stateent cannot be disputed. The irony is that the Hamas government has shown enormous self restrain in the last month but yet the Europeans and the USA want it to fail by blocking financial aid and then the only way is to resolve to terrorism. Remember also that Hamas government has been democratically elected.
from Italy
said:Dear Batir,
Hamas hasn't adfirmed the right of Israel to exist and they told that also the attack in Tel Aviv was for "defence"...How can Europe and USA not want that it falls, untill that this terrorist Govern doesn't adfirm the right of Israel to exist for the interest of ALL (also of Palestinian people!)?
I don't like that Europe and USA cut the economic help to Palestinian peple, that's sure...but we, Westerns and Israelis, can pay with our life for our democratic choice, so I ask why cutting the economic help to the Palestinian Governament, couldn't make release good Palestinian ppl that they make a mistake (even if Al-Fatah is corrupted and it has a terrorist arm to, Brigades of Al-Aqsa)... Sorry, if I tell this.\.. but now that Hamas is in Govern he MUST recognise Israel and stop with terrorism: no "aut aut".
Someone here asks why Europe and USA wouldn't forbid that Hamas was elected...but Palestinian people would have told that it would be a " ingerence in the inner buisiness", also if they did a dangerous choice...Belive me, I hoped that Hamas disarmed if it was elected...but it didn't happen! West and Israel don't have "prejudices" against Hamas: it's Hamas (&co.) that moved us to have this opinion about...
from Italy
said:Sorry, I taked about Hamas using "he" too!:))
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from Jordan
I agree that the "west" is not perfectly supporting Freedom of Speech, but i guess they have gone a longer round in that field.... I agree that we should point out those kinds limitations to be capable to enhance our systems over time; Europeans need to take an issue like the Holocaust less restictively; but thats a minor offence compared to how much Freedom of Speech is repressed in this part of the world......
My point is, accepting criticism even from non-perfect entities is likely to make a benefit!