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from Jordan
said:Jordanian, I agree with you. The quote from Masad taht was mentioned by my friend cannot be substantiated unless coupled with a tape recorder! Maybe I should not have mentioned this and remained focused on his "open" ideas. Thanks a lot.
from United States
said:I've been following Massad's work for a while now. All his work is grounded in post colonial theory which was developed by Edward Said. I take a great issue with Edward Said and post colonial theory because of the way in which it can develop a sense of third -worldism. Furthermore, as a historiography, post-colonialism removes agency from native actors, this view of history and social and political development paints locals, Jordanians such as myself in this case, as having zero agency. The dangerous reprecussions of this strain of thought is that it enables both outsiders and local actors to conveniently shift blame to external fotrces regarding a societie's own limitations. This is not just Said but Spivak's "Can the Subaltern speak?" which you should check out.
On a personal note, as a Jordanian studying abroad at a so called "prestigious university" I find cultural studies a bunch of shit. The university I'm at, has a world renowned cultural theory department . I've taken many classes and I am yet to discover the actual value of this sort of study. As a Jordanian, I see the types of thinking employed by post-colonialist thinkers as being completely divorced from the reality. Part of this si due to the fact that the Arab thinkers among them are in the diaspora and represent the very top of social structure, in other words they are the elite of Arab society and then leave their homeland and are unable to rekindle a link.
Furthermore, as someone studying Economics, I find the economic arguments in post colonial theory to be totally and utterly absurd and alot of them would benifit from taking an economics 101 class.
Khaled
from Jordan
said:I am always disturbed at your persistence on the mistaken use of the word "Jordan" or "we", because it's clear as the sun in the sky that ALL the conspiracy related accusation are directed at THREE People : Abdulla I, Hussein, and Abdullah II... It's not about Jordan, and it's definitely not about Jordanians!
You may have some valid points in your post, nevertheless, it cannot be considered as evidences of the accusations you're carrying at him, I don't think he's exactly like what you're describing as Edward Said, someone that you respect apparently, described one of his works as "A work of genuine brilliance" (http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023112/0231123221.HTM)
Of course, you should be able to realize the amount of disturbance you're creating when you rely on something that starts with "The government has announced.."
from Jordan
said:Khaled thanks for the great insight. I have enjoyed Said's political writing but do not have much clues about his "orientalism" literature, I feel they are too much for me. Thanks a lot for bringing a glimpse of the atmosphere from US academia.
OmAr I do not rely on what the government says but in this particular issue the Jordanian position is clear and I wonder why some politicians and people just refuse to believe it.
Batir, you always like to fish in the muddy waters. you conveniently chose to ignore that palestinains and arabs have issues with the jordanian regimes and NOT with Jordanian people. Stop this disinformation. Jordanian regime IS NOT Jordanian people.
Omar, we should not be surprised that batir is meeting with high profile persons. He does his homework and he is rewarded.
from Jordan
said:My dear Azzam can you plz specify what reward did I presumanbly get so that I can answer your argument?
I met one of his relatives on thearabgirl.com, he told me a lot about him.
from Chile
said:Batir Wardan wrote: "However, it is almost insulting to see Masad holding a position in such a university that included the great Said." In these words I find the same childish blackmail and intimidation that makes us, as Arabs, not able to develop a new society rich of creativity and freedom of speech. Does Mr. Wardan advise Columbia University to take his blackmail seriously? or he expects that someone at that Univesity would read his valuable viewpoint
from Chile
said:Batir Wardan wrote: "However, it is almost insulting to see Masad holding a position in such a university that included the great Said." In these words I find the same childish blackmail and intimidation that makes us, as Arabs, not able to develop a new society rich of creativity and freedom of speech. Does Mr. Wardan advise Columbia University to take his blackmail seriously? or he expects that someone at that Univesity would read his valuable viewpoint
from Chile
said:Batir Wardan wrote: "However, it is almost insulting to see Masad holding a position in such a university that included the great Said." In these words I find the same childish blackmail and intimidation that makes us, as Arabs, not able to develop a new society rich of creativity and freedom of speech. Does Mr. Wardan advise Columbia University to take his blackmail seriously? or he expects that someone at that Univesity would read his valuable viewpoint
from Chile
said:Arabs in their Religiously Oriented Societies can’t tolerate the free description and analysis of behaviour and situations, they are convinced that any description should serve a regime, political party, religion or ideology, while thinkers in the Free Societies apply the scientific method to research approach, their people are aware of the importance of this method. For them the age of sin or intimidation has gone. I hope that the Arab thinkers can adapt this method, and I guess that Dr. Joseph Massad is starting, this way he serves his academic mission and affirms that when it comes to knowledge, the truth is above any interest.
from United Kingdom
said:This badly argued attack on Professor Massad's work is truly surprising, both for its scurrilousness (whispered rumours from a friend are used as criticism? surely this is childish) as well as the lack of understanding of Massad's work and writings specifically on Jordan. His book "Colonial Effects" is an incredibly sympathetic and sophisticated reading of Jordan's history, and Jordan's right to be seen as a fully modern nation, and it is common knowledge in the US that Jordan is critical to implementing US Middle Eastern policies PRECISELY because of the close way that pro-US policies are pre-emptively applied by Jordanian governments. Many Jordanians who love their country and their King find aspects of this support very difficult to approve, and the frequent changes of government in the country surely show an awareness of this need to "fix" aspects of government to meet popular approval.
I think that the CONTEXT of the Al Ahram article quoted by Mr. Batir should have been the focus of his discussion.
Professor Massad is one of the most sopshisticated intellectuals engaging with Arabic culutre and the Middle East and he deserves critics who are able to challenge and engage him. I for one would love a keen debate about Jordanian nationalism and the country's role in the region (the REAL issue behind the article Mr. Batir's finds problematic). Would it not be better if Mr. Batir's UNDERSTANDING of Professor Massad's writings should come BEFORE he attempts to analyse or criticise? Disappointed, F. E. Samara
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from Jordan
Batir, I have no objection on any of the other points, since I don't know much about the subject and your case sounds reasonable.
However, it is unfair (and also illegal) to mention something that you heard from a close friend about something he said, especially on a subject as serious as the bombings in Jordan. It is unfortunate that this points debased your whole argument and made it look like a personal attack instead of one based on raeson like the rest of your arguments.